Sifu Markus Kahila of Shaolin Wahnam Finland

When inaccurate and misleading information is spread publicly about our school or our Sifus, it is only reasonable and responsible of us to step up and correct what's being said.
Sifu Markus Kahila

The following posts are reproduced without editing from the Russbo forum.

Doc
2nd February 2008

I implore anyone who is considering going on one of these courses not to, even more so if you’re going with the intent to cure an illness such as cancer

I have a huge problem with this guy's claims that he can cure cancer. In fact, many years ago, he and I had a discussion about his cancer cure claims. We had a running dialog for a while, in the forum ARCHIVE, in which we debated his abilities. He eventually bowed out after he could not properly answer my "medically scientific" questions.

It was comical. And sad. I'll get the ARCHIVE up and running again soon. It's worth reading that part.

Onesp1ng
2nd February 2008

agree doc. after reading that thread you may be inclined to NOT believe WKK, by virture of his own words.

but regardless, why do these wkk people always come across so....so....well, lawyer-like?

Grandmaster Wong and Sifu Laura Fernandez, who overcame breast cancer and went on to become a Shaolin Wahnam chi kung instructor helping many people overcome various so-called incurable diseases

Doc
2nd February 2008

Anytime you deal with organizations or groups that exhibit cult like behavior, their members can act in ways that are protective of their group. There is a thread in the Fugue section on Cults. I suggest that you read it. This will make more sense...

Sifu Markus Kahila
3rd February 2008

Greetings.

This will be a short post to shed light to some of the points being raised. Bear in mind that me, or the Shaolin Wahnam students who have posted here, have no intentions of trying to win anybody over. Many of you clearly have wildly different ideas about traditional martial and internal arts than we do, and we're happy to leave you to pursue your own path in the way you see best.

However, when inaccurate and misleading information is spread publicly about our school or our Sifus, it is only reasonable and responsible of us to step up and correct what's being said. Biotics' posts are an example of spreading incorrect information. Here's a few more things to address:

Doc said:

In fact, many years ago, he and I had a discussion about his cancer cure claims. We had a running dialog for a while, in the forum ARCHIVE, in which we debated his abilities. He eventually bowed out after he could not properly answer my ‘medically scientific’ questions

To my best knowledge - as confirmed by my Sifu (Wong) - here's how it went: Sifu Wong was informed by his student that Doc would like to have a discussion with him at Russbo, in a thread reserved for the two of them. Sifu agreed, and replied immediately to Doc's long opening post, to which Doc did not respond. After many months he posted to say that he had been away, but did not raise any issues nor asked any questions. So there were only three posts: Doc's original long post, Sifu's reply to all his points, and Doc's short "apology".

Hence, Doc's statements that "we had a running dialog", that "we debated his abilities", that Sifu Wong "bowed out" and that Doc raised "medically scientific questions" are untrue.

But I do hope that the archives are revived unedited, just as Doc promised - it's all there to see.

Anytime you deal with organizations or groups that exhibit cult like behavior, their members can act in ways that are protective of their group.

Doc, if your definition for the word 'cult' is "an organization that emphasizes tolerance, personal choice and freedom of religion", then you may have a point in referring to our school as "cult-like". Otherwise, I would suggest for you to check your dictionary and, more importantly, check your facts.

Best luck with your practice,

Markus Kahila
Shaolin Wahnam

Editorial Note
Sifu Laura Fernandez Garrido (pictured above) and Miguel Camps (pictured below) are two of many people who overcame cancer after practicing Shaolin Cosmos Chi Kung learnt from Grandmaster Wong. You can read their own testimonials entitled Overcoming Cancer and Experiencing Happiness from Within and They Say This is Impossible.

Miguel Camps was cured of pancreas cancer after practicing Shaolin Cosmos Chi Kung for seven months. The picture above shows him practicing "Carrying the Moon" at the November/December 2004 Intensive Chi Kung Course in Malaysia

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